From: "Tina Peters" Subject: [HOISINGTON-L] Hoisington Family Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 09:10:11 -0700 Hello, hello! My name is Tina Peters and I'm a Hoisington descendant. My Grandmother was Margaret Pauline Hoisington (b.Jan. 22, 1917). She married Joseph Franklin Dickens(b.Nov. 5, 1913) on Feb. 26, 1939. They had 3 children: *Deanna(b.Oct. 26, 1939)married 4 times but only had children with Paul Posten 3 children- Pamela, Jacquelyn, and Scott. Pamela has 3 children- Brandy, Christopher, and Brianna. Brandy has a daughter, but I don't know her name. *Judy(b. Dec. 1, 1941)Married Clarence Daniels 2 children- Joseph and Randy. Joseph has a daughter, but I don't know her name. *Jane Sue(b. Oct.5, 1945)married a man named Rupe in 1961. He was the father of my older brother Steve(b. Dec. 21, 1961). She married Robert Richard Sayre(b. Oct. 3, 1946) on April 2, 1965. They had 2 children- Tina Louise(b.Dec. 6, 1967) and Robert Martin(b. Oct. 25, 1970). Steve is not married and has no children. Tina, that's me, is married to David Powell Peters(b.Dec.16, 1964) and we have no children. Robert(Marty) has a daughter name Elyse Lynn Sayre(b. June 21, 1995). I have limited information on Granny's siblings: Donald married Nell and they had one child-Charles. Mildred married Peter Wright and they had one child- Patricia. Carl married Mary and they had two children- Larry and David. Earl married Estelle and had no children. Lena married Edwin Greene and had two children-Shirley and Christine. Ralph never married and had no children. Granny(Margaret) and Lena are the only two living. Granny lives in Cincinnati and Lena lives in West Virginia. Neither one is in good health. I am very excited to have found other Hoisington descendants. I look forward to learning more about my family history. I hope to fill in some of the blanks on my aunts and cousins. I will post them as I receive the information. Thank You, Tina Peters ================================================================================= From: harriette jensen Subject: [HOISINGTON-L] Msg#98-46 (Or, at least, I think it is!) Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 19:52:48 -0700 (PDT) >Hello, hello! My name is Tina Peters and I'm a Hoisington descendant. My >Grandmother was Margaret Pauline Hoisington (b.Jan. 22, 1917). She married >Joseph Franklin Dickens(b.Nov. 5, 1913) on Feb. 26, 1939. Hi, Tina. Welcome aboard! And I'm happy to see the information you posted. I had your grandmother listed, alright, but only her name, birth date and the fact that she had married a man named Dickens and had a little girl. (this was in 1932). I do, however, have lots of ancestors for her. Your granny was the daughter of Lewis William Hoisington (b. 30 Nov 1876) and Annie Bertha Linscott (b. 22 Nov 1878), who were married 10 Dec 1902 in Athens Co. OH. They were descendants of some of the earliest settlers in Athens Co. The rest of the ancestry (as far as I have it) goes: John Horsington John (II) m. Elizabeth Shailor John Hoisington of Southington m. Sarah Templer (Major) Joab Hoisington m. Mary Boardman Joab Hoisingt m. Mary Ann "Anna" Green Dudley Waldo Hoisington m. Catherine Smith Lewis William I have a little bit on the Linscotts. Annie Bertha was the daughter of Rudolph F. and Bell Linscott. I have no further information on them other than they died after 1900. This information is from Don Kotner, who is descended from the Linscotts. I have another couple of contacts that I will e-mail to you. You asked some questions regarding the list in your latest e-mail. Currently, the Hoisington-L list has approximately 35 members from all over the US and recently, we have been joined by new members from Canada and Wales, making us "international". Postings have recently been sporadic due to the chaotic state of my life, but usually average 1 or 2 a week (unless we get excited about something!). Past postings will shortly be available from Rootsweb, and I will announce it on the list. Until then, if you have any questions about any branch of the family, please feel free to ask. Also, we have members who have extensive information and members who are just starting the search for their Hoisingtons, so don't feel intimidated about sharing what you know. It might just be the piece of the puzzle that someone else needs. Harriette ================================================================================== From: harriette jensen Subject: [HOISINGTON-L] Msg#98-47 - Some Miscellaneous Stuff I Found on Ancestry.com Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 19:52:53 -0700 (PDT) Hi, all. I had nothing to do for a couple of hours at work today except wait for people to call me with bits and pieces of information, so I took the free tour at ancestry.com. I've listed what I found below. Harriette On the Vermont Death Index 1989-1996: Myrtle H. Hoisington DOB: 16 Aug 1906, VT DOD: 18 Dec 1989, St. Albans Town, VT Maiden Name: Lombard William E. Hoisington DOB: 27 Dec 1924, CT DOD: 2 Jan 1991, Randolph VT Education: 15 Residence: Braintree Harold F. Hoisington DOB: 17 Dec 1901, VT DOD: 29/3/1991, Windsor VT Education: 6 Residence: NH Marion E. Hoisington DOB: 19 Feb 1912, VT DOD: 30 Nov 1992, Springfield VT Residence: Chester VT Maiden Name: Holman Marie Hoisington DOB: 19 Jan 1953, VT DOD: 31 Mar 1993, Middletown Springs, VT Education 12 Maiden Name: Hoisington Richard E. Hoisington DOB: 19 Apr 1958, VT DOD: 27 Jul 1993, Springfield VT Education: 17 Thelma Sawyer DOB: 27 Jan 1906, NH DOD: 24 Apr 1995, Rockingham, VT Education: 10 Maiden Name: Hoisington Clayton C. Hoisington DOB: 21 Sep 1941, NH DOD: 10 May 1996, Hartford VT Education: 12 Residence: South Hero, NH Edward E. Hoisington DOB: 13 Apr 1915, VT DOD: 3 Nov 1996, Morristown, VT Education: 8 All residences not listed were the same as place of death. >From the Connecticut Death Index 1971-1987: State File Number: 14217 Georgia A. Hoisington Death Date: July 27, 1982 Age: 77 years Place of Death: Manchester, CT Place of Birth: NH Decedent's Las Spouse: Elver Residence of Decedent: Andover CT Address of Residence: 66 Boston Hill Rd, 06232 Father's Surname: Boles Occupation: Home Maker State File Number: 03584 Dorothy M. Hoisington Death Date: Feb. 12, 1984 Age: 59 years Place of Death: Putnam, CT Place of Birth: MA Decedent's Las Spouse: Willi Residence of Decedent: Killingly, CT Address of Residence: 10 Dyer ST., 06243 Father's Surname: Leveille Occupation: Home Maker For those of you who are members, ancestry.com also has the following Hoisington listings from "Abstracts of Graves of Revolutionary Patriots, Vol. 2". As I am not a member, if anyone is and would like to post the info, I would be grateful. Titus V. Kenyon Cem., Plymouth, MI 59 Ebenezer Ebenezer, Jr. Elias Elisha Orange ================================================================================== From: Bonnie Dannenberg Subject: Re: [HOISINGTON-L] Msg#98-46 (Or, at least, I think it is!) Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 08:27:42 -0400 At 07:52 PM 5/6/98 -0700, harriette jensen wrote: >>Hello, hello! My name is Tina Peters and I'm a Hoisington descendant. My >>Grandmother was Margaret Pauline Hoisington (b.Jan. 22, 1917). She married >>Joseph Franklin Dickens(b.Nov. 5, 1913) on Feb. 26, 1939. > >Hi, Tina. > >Welcome aboard! And I'm happy to see the information you posted. I had >your grandmother listed, alright, but only her name, birth date and the >fact that she had married a man named Dickens and had a little girl. (this >was in 1932). I do, however, have lots of ancestors for her. Hi Harriette and Everyone, I'm so glad to see that you had info for Tina. I did do just a quick check of Harry's book and didn't find reference to the names she was seeking. :( It's so rewarding when someone has a lot of data like this that really helps. >You asked some questions regarding the list in your latest e-mail. >Currently, the Hoisington-L list has approximately 35 members from all over >the US and recently, we have been joined by new members from Canada and >Wales, making us "international". That's also GREAT news! :) Waaay back in the beginning weren't there only 4 of us? Wonderful to see us growing. >Also, we have members who have extensive information and members who are >just starting the search for their Hoisingtons, so don't feel intimidated >about sharing what you know. It might just be the piece of the puzzle that >someone else needs. Definately true. Back when Harriette first started the list, I only had one Hoisington name. And I had been beating my head against the wall for oh, about 3 years trying to "find" the names of her parents. So it pays to keep plugging away at it. Guess I'm guilty of being "quiet" lately too. But I've recently given up a lot of responsibilities I had on another list, (non genealogy) and now I have the luxury of having much more time to devote to genealogy. It's a great feeling, and I'm hoping to move forward with my work much more rapidly now. Welcome to the list, Tina. Bonnie - ================================================================================== From: "Darcy Hoisington" Subject: Re: [HOISINGTON-L] Msg#98-47 - Some Miscellaneous Stuff I Found Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 14:36:09 -0400 Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 19:52:53 -0700 (PDT) From: hariji@sirius.com (harriette jensen) Subject: [HOISINGTON-L] Msg#98-47 - Some Miscellaneous Stuff I Found on Ancestry.com To: HOISINGTON-L@rootsweb.com Reply-to: HOISINGTON-L@rootsweb.com Hi, all. I had nothing to do for a couple of hours at work today except wait for people to call me with bits and pieces of information, so I took the free tour at ancestry.com. I've listed what I found below. Harriette On the Vermont Death Index 1989-1996: Myrtle H. Hoisington DOB: 16 Aug 1906, VT DOD: 18 Dec 1989, St. Albans Town, VT Maiden Name: Lombard William E. Hoisington DOB: 27 Dec 1924, CT DOD: 2 Jan 1991, Randolph VT Education: 15 Residence: Braintree This William is William "F" for Folwell Hoisington. He was my husband's father. I am a member of the Ancestry.com (a rare treat for myself!) and would be happy to share what I can with everyone. I have just finished this semester's studies -- my "to do" genealogy pile at home is teetering at about 2-feet high. I have, however, dutifully run off copies of the Ancestry.com info sheets as they come in on a daily basis. I'll be going through several months' worth (since my subscription started) and getting info back to you all. Sorry for the delays in stuff, but the summer is the only time I have to really indulge my passion. Stay tuned..... Darcy P.S. the Graves register didn't show up anything for the Hoisingtons other than "17" which indicates the year (1917) the graves were recorded by the DAR. I believe most of the folks are in local Windsor County or (town of) Woodstock or neighboring areas.... Harold F. Hoisington DOB: 17 Dec 1901, VT DOD: 29/3/1991, Windsor VT Education: 6 Residence: NH Marion E. Hoisington DOB: 19 Feb 1912, VT DOD: 30 Nov 1992, Springfield VT Residence: Chester VT Maiden Name: Holman Marie Hoisington DOB: 19 Jan 1953, VT DOD: 31 Mar 1993, Middletown Springs, VT Education 12 Maiden Name: Hoisington Richard E. Hoisington DOB: 19 Apr 1958, VT DOD: 27 Jul 1993, Springfield VT Education: 17 Thelma Sawyer DOB: 27 Jan 1906, NH DOD: 24 Apr 1995, Rockingham, VT Education: 10 Maiden Name: Hoisington Clayton C. Hoisington DOB: 21 Sep 1941, NH DOD: 10 May 1996, Hartford VT Education: 12 Residence: South Hero, NH Edward E. Hoisington DOB: 13 Apr 1915, VT DOD: 3 Nov 1996, Morristown, VT Education: 8 All residences not listed were the same as place of death. >From the Connecticut Death Index 1971-1987: State File Number: 14217 Georgia A. Hoisington Death Date: July 27, 1982 Age: 77 years Place of Death: Manchester, CT Place of Birth: NH Decedent's Las Spouse: Elver Residence of Decedent: Andover CT Address of Residence: 66 Boston Hill Rd, 06232 Father's Surname: Boles Occupation: Home Maker State File Number: 03584 Dorothy M. Hoisington Death Date: Feb. 12, 1984 Age: 59 years Place of Death: Putnam, CT Place of Birth: MA Decedent's Las Spouse: Willi Residence of Decedent: Killingly, CT Address of Residence: 10 Dyer ST., 06243 Father's Surname: Leveille Occupation: Home Maker For those of you who are members, ancestry.com also has the following Hoisington listings from "Abstracts of Graves of Revolutionary Patriots, Vol. 2". As I am not a member, if anyone is and would like to post the info, I would be grateful. Titus V. Kenyon Cem., Plymouth, MI 59 Ebenezer Ebenezer, Jr. Elias Elisha Orange ================================================================================== From: Tina M Knapp Subject: Re: [HOISINGTON-L] Msg#98-46 (Or, at least, I think it is!) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 13:55:14 -0700 Harriette, When I saw your reply to Tina I thought you meant me, Tina Knapp. I started to read and got totaly lost. I know that my grandmother was supposed of married another man, but I had no name. When I noticed that you had my grandmother as being born a Hoisington I knew something was wrong. After looking closer, and being revived by my husband, I realized that there are now two Tina's on the list. I am sorry that I forgot about you Tina, but I'm not used to more than one Tina at a time. My grandmother was a Combs, and knowing that Harriette (I think that we are cousins) is researching the Combs it threw me for a loop. Happy Hunting Tina. ================================================================================== From: harriette jensen Subject: [HOISINGTON-L] Msg#98-48 Archives Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 01:28:38 -0700 (PDT) Hi, All. For the newbies to the list (and for some of us oldies-but-goodies), here is the address to search the mailing list archives and some tips on how to use it: ; I added the preface "HOISINGTON-" to the subject line of all the mailings about 6 months ago, so if you put in "Hoisington" you will see all of the messages for this year. Unfortunately, that is not true for 1996 and 1997. If you are looking for a particular place , be sure to try the full name and abbreviation, i.e., VT and Vermont, or St. Albans and Saint Albans If you're looking for a particular person, use the variant spellings of the first name first, i.e. John. If that brings up too many messages, try the first name and middle initial. Good luck on finding what you're looking for. And if you don't, you can always post a query! Harriette ================================================================================== From: harriette jensen Subject: [HOISINGTON-L] Msg#98-49 More Mail List Search Resources Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 23:04:39 -0700 (PDT) Hi, all. In addition to the URL I gave you a few days ago, you can now search ALL the mailing lists for Hoisington (or other, if you must) info. Part of Brian Leverich's message is pasted below. Harriette >The new search engine server is now online and can operate at the >speed of a full T1 connection. > >Courtesy of hacks by Dale Schneider, you can search the USGenWeb >Archives, now with *headlines* and *updated* to within the last 24 >hours, at: > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ussearch.htm > >Courtesy of hacks by Karen Isaacson, you can search the archives of >any mailing list (except those withdrawn by the listowner), now with >nicer *formats* and *updated* to within the last 24 hours, at: > > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > >I'd also like to explicitly thank the folks who provided the >resources that have made this new facility possible: > > o RootsWeb's Patrons, Donors, Sponsors, and Members. > > o Palladium Interactive, developers of the Ultimate > Family Tree software for genealogists. > >Folks interested in helping RootsWeb provide new facilities can >become Members by using the Web form at: > > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > >By the way, the next server we'll be bringing online will be a box >dedicated to supporting Marc Nozell's HTMLized versions of the >mailing list archives. We should have that box online within 48 >hours, though it's reasonable to expect Marc to need a little time >after that to get his software installed. (: ================================================================================== From: harriette jensen Subject: [HOISINGTON-L] Msg#98-50 Bouncing Messages Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 08:23:17 -0700 (PDT) Hi, All. I have bouncing mail for a couple of list members. Does anyone on the list know Will Hoisington or Kathleen Hoisington? If you do, would you tell them their mail is bouncing. Thanks, Harriette ================================================================================== From: harriette jensen Subject: [HOISINGTON-L] Msg#98-50a Bouncing Messages - Addendum Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 08:26:46 -0700 (PDT) >Hi, All. > >I have bouncing mail for a couple of list members. Does anyone on the >list know Will Hoisington or Kathleen Hoisington? If you do, would you >tell them their mail is bouncing. > >Thanks, > >Harriette Sorry, all. I forgot to ask you all, if you would, to post me privately at with your addresses and/or phone numbers so that I could reach you to let you know if your mail is bouncing. H. ================================================================================== From: Darcy Hoisington Subject: [HOISINGTON-L] Ben Wells & Melissa Hoisington Wells Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 13:31:06 -0400 Hello All! Harriette Jensen has been particularly encouraging to me to share my research and writing on the Hoisington families. I'm a history major at Syracuse University. I try to work on some facet of Hoisington genealogy whenever possible for a piece of my course work. Last semester I took US Civil War, and used the transcripts of letters between Benjamin Wells and his wife, Melissa Hoisington Wells, that Harriette found in Michigan and graciously shared. While reviewing the literature for its relevancy regarding this research, I discovered many references on romantic writing, love, courtship and marriage in 19th century America. This paper could not attempt to incorporate all the parameters of interpretation that these letters leave to the reader in the 20th century. Also, in the interest of the assigned limitation of pages, I chose to not include Melissa's comments regarding her world as a war bride and a "single mother". I am hoping to expand upon this initial work in other courses and possibly develop a senior thesis that may attempt to use these diverse and intriquing letters. Any errors are mine, and I gratefully accept your comments or suggestions for further work. I have divided the paper into 7 sections, which I will e-mail separately (sort of a mini-series!): "Thousands of Others Like Us" Darcy Hoisington From January to February, 1861, eleven states seceded from the United States of America and formed the Confederate States of America. These public events in history would affects millions of private lives -- men and women -- throughout the remainder of the 19th century and into the 20th. "I have had the very pleasant time perusing the contents of each..." Susan Melissa Hoisington Wells and her husband, Benjamin Franklin Wells, were a married, middle-class couple who participated in, and witnessed, the United States Civil War. The story of their involvement, in the war and with each other, is partially revealed in their letters that have been preserved today as transcripts in the Bentley Library at the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor. The reader can infer many facets of the psychological effects of coping with both the war and the separation, by husband and wife, during the early years of their marriage. For the purposes of this paper, Ben's letters recounting his experiences as a Union soldier serving in the border states will be examined. The transcripts available to this researcher include letters from Ben to Melissa during his regiment's assignments in the border states of Tennessee, Indiana and Kentucky from November, 1861 to November, 1863. In the transcripts, Melissa referred to letters that she received from Ben during his unit's participation in Sherman's March to Atlanta: "your letters of May 20th, 25th, 30th and of June 2nd came to hand last night quite a large mail for one time and I have been having a very pleasant time perusing the contents of each some times with feelings of pleasure and some with sadness. For who can peruse the details of a battle without feeling sad and to think of the pain and suffering that must be endured by our fellow beings caused by this cruel war." (Melissa Wells (MW) to Benjamin Wells (BW), June 12, 1864, Fabius, Michigan, Special Collections, Bentley Library, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan (BLUMAA). "your letters of the 24th, 26th and 29th of July came to hand night before last and last night...within the last few days I have been living in Fear and Suspense ever since the news of the great battle of Atlanta and I felt almost afraid to hear the result for fear it might bring naught but sorrow to my already aching heart." (MW to BW, August 7, 1864, BLUMAA). Unfortunately, those letters were not included in the transcripts available to this researcher. Despite the lapses, Ben still conveys some of the experiences that he faced in this uniquely American war. Family History The Hoisington clan had originated in New England in the mid-1600's. After the Revolutionary War and the War of 1812, various family members moved to the Ohio and Michigan frontiers as homesteaders. Aaron Abishai Hoisington was born in Woodstock, Vermont in 1801 and married Nancy Nason (born in Vermont in 1802; died in Flowerfield, Michigan in 1879). In 1835, Aaron and Nancy took their family (which would eventually include six sons and four daughters) to the wilderness of Southern Michigan. Aaron was a farmer and a brickmaker in Fabius township, St. Joseph county, Michigan (population 497 in 1854). Susan Melissa Hoisington, born May 1, 1840, was the eldest of the daughters. Years later, Aaron would employ Benjamin Franklin Wells, a native of Ohio, 5 years older than Melissa. Their engagement was announced in the spring of 1861, followed by their marriage on August 27th of that same year. Their marriage took place 3 days after the mustering-in of the 11th Michigan Regiment; Melissa would be a war-bride for the entire time of the Civil War. Although Aaron was sixty years of age at the time, he enlisted also with the 11th Michigan. Four sons fought in the Civil War including John and Norman serving in the 13th Michigan, and Lucian and Wallace, who also served in the 11th Michigan Infantry. Edward, as the youngest son, did not serve; his brother, Frederick, could not serve because of a partially crippled arm. Next Installment: "The 11th Michigan: "I for one do not like a soldier's life" Additional References: Castel, Albert, "Dearest Ben: Letters from a Civil War Soldier's Wife". Michigan History, vol. 71, no. 3, pg. 19-22. May/June 1987. Michigan Department of State: Lansing, Michigan. Connelley, William E., A Standard History of Kansas and Kansans. Chicago:Lewis Publishing Company, 1918. Harvey, Don. "11th Regiment Michigan Infantry, 1861-4. Available: users.aol.com/dharvey/11thinf.htm ================================================================================== From: Bonnie Dannenberg Subject: Re: [HOISINGTON-L] Ben Wells & Melissa Hoisington Wells Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 14:16:26 -0400 At 01:31 PM 5/18/98 -0400, Darcy Hoisington wrote: >Hello All! >Harriette Jensen has been particularly encouraging to me to share my >research and writing on the Hoisington families. I'm a history major at Darcy, That was WONDERFUL! :) Thank you. More, more, more please. Bonnie - (Albany area) ================================================================================== From: Daniel J Hoisington Subject: [HOISINGTON-L] Address? Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 19:26:36 -0500 Does anyone have Elizabeth Stweart's address? I have an old one -- from thirty years ago when my Grandfather corresponded with her! Daniel J. Hoisington edinborough@juno.com ================================================================================== From: Tina M Knapp Subject: Re: [HOISINGTON-L] Address? Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 19:47:48 -0700 Sorry but I don't have her address. I do have a question for you though. By any chance are you related to the Daniel Jesse Hoisington b. July 29, 1861 d. MAy 01, 1913? If you are I would like to say Hi cuz. My grandfather was Freddie Franklin his son. If we are related where do you come in at. If not I hope to find a conection one day. Anyone else on the list (Except for my cuz Birdie) that is related please let me know, I would love to hear from you all. Either here or you can e-mail me at Tina264@juno.com, or TKnapp8365@aol.com. Thanks for any help at all. TIna Hoisington Knapp ================================================================================== From: harriette jensen Subject: Re: [HOISINGTON-L] Ben Wells & Melissa Hoisington Wells Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 20:39:18 -0700 (PDT) Great, Darcy! Looking forward to the next installment and to your next paper on M'liss's experience as a single mom. When I read the letters in Michigan, I could certainly commiserate with her, especially the part about fussy children! Harriette ================================================================================== From: harriette jensen Subject: Re: [HOISINGTON-L] Address? Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 20:44:01 -0700 (PDT) Anyone else on >the list (Except for my cuz Birdie) that is related please let me know, I >would love to hear from you all. Either here or you can e-mail me at >Tina264@juno.com, or TKnapp8365@aol.com. Thanks for any help at all. >TIna Hoisington Knapp > Hey, Tina. Don't forget me. I'm Daniel Jesse's g-granddaughter via my grandma Clara Alice. Harriette ================================================================================= From: harriette jensen Subject: Re: [HOISINGTON-L] Address? Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 20:50:10 -0700 (PDT) >Does anyone have Elizabeth Stweart's address? I have an old one -- from >thirty years ago when my Grandfather corresponded with her! > Hi, Daniel. Are you talking about the Elizabeth Hoisington Stewart who was somehow associated in producing a book by Mary Ann St. Leger McGinn Stewart? If so I just pulled a bibliographic record that gives a publishing address of D.S. Stewart, 143 Pelham Rd., Rochester NY 14610. The date on the copyright was 1981. Harriette ================================================================================== From: harriette jensen Subject: [HOISINGTON-L] Msg #98-52 - Surfing Safari at Ancestry.com Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 21:15:26 -0700 (PDT) Hi, again. While I'm at it, I was surfing the web at work on Saturday while I was waiting for one of my technical guides to finish printing out, and I found the following information on ancestry.com: >From the Massachusetts Town Vital Records, Update and Compilation Vital Records of Gill, Massachusetts, to the year 1850 Gill Deaths to the Year 1850 page 88 Hossington, Nathaniel [husband Abigail], Jan 14, 1837. [Hoisington, age 49, gravestone record] Vital Records of West Springfield, Massachusetts, to the year 1850 West Springfield Births to the Year 1850 Hoisington, Henry H., U.S.N.,______, 1845, [on stone with Jane Sargent, 1849] gravestone record, Meeting House HIll (Church Hill) Cemetery, West Springfield (I have plenty of Henry Hoisingtons, but don't recognize this one. Does anyone else????) Vital Records of West Springfield, Massachusetts, to the year 1850 West Springfield Births to the Year 1850 Hoisington, Jane Sargent [? m.}, _____, 1849 [on stone with Henry H., 1845] gravestone record, Meeting House HIll (Church Hill) Cemetery, West Springfield >From Colonial familes of the United States of America, Volumne I Jacob Stowell, b. in Dedham, Mass, 3d April, 1736, d. at Windsor, Vermont, 13th November, 1806 m. at Douglas, Mass., 3d December, 1757, Beulah Livermore, d. at Windsor, Vt., 17th November. These were the parents of: Mary Stowell, b. 20th October, 1762, d. 5th March, 1842; m. 7th March 1782, Elias HOISINGTON Rebecca Jacob, m. December, 1793, Ruth HOISINGTON Joel Oliver, m. 28th February, 1802, Betsy HOISINGTON A search of WWI Civilian Draft Registrations turned up 3 hits: Carl Wallace Hoisington, b. 14 Jun 1895 Clinton MN; registered Benewah ID (Anyone claim this Hoisington????) Ray Hoisington (actually Ezra Raymond), b. 21 October 1882; registered Benewah ID Earl Malcolm Hoisington, 10 April 1893 Spokane WA; registered Shoshone ID ================================================================================== From: Bonnie Dannenberg Subject: Re: [HOISINGTON-L] Msg #98-52 - Surfing Safari at Ancestry.com Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 07:46:37 -0400 At 09:15 PM 5/18/98 -0700, harriette jensen wrote: >>From Colonial familes of the United States of America, Volumne I >Jacob Stowell, b. in Dedham, Mass, 3d April, 1736, d. at Windsor, Vermont, >13th November, 1806 m. at Douglas, Mass., 3d December, 1757, Beulah >Livermore, d. at Windsor, Vt., 17th November. > >These were the parents of: >Mary Stowell, b. 20th October, 1762, d. 5th March, 1842; m. 7th March 1782, >Elias HOISINGTON Hey, Thanks Harriette! Those are mine. :) Elias Hoisington + Mary Stowell Sayles Hoisington Caira Hoisington Lyman Judson Clough Eva May Clough Margaret Elizabeth Joyal Me Bonnie - ================================================================================== From: Darcy Hoisington Subject: [HOISINGTON-L] Wells Letters - Part 2 Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 09:58:33 -0400 The 11th Michigan: "I for one do not like a soldier's life" By September 24, 181, the 11th Michigan was a regiment of over 1000 officers and men. Ben writes from Camp Tilden in Michigan on November 2, 1861. The Michigan regiment, comprised of volunteers, apparently was much more democratic in its assignment of officers than the regular army, in that war and future wars: "And it appears their first lieutenant had not been elected by the company but had been appointed by the Col. the company are all opposed to his appointment and when they were called on to muster every man refused to take the oath and have the would be lieutenant mustered as such the company are all determined not to be mustered unless they have a choice of their own officers." (BW to MW 11/2/1861, Camp Tilden, MI) Apparently the issue was resolved and three months later, on December 9, 1861, the unit left Michigan for winter headquarters in Elizabethtown, Kentucky. Ben's impressions of the South were not particularly favorable, although he did early on qualify his remarks to his then-limited experience. "In mingling with the world we find a variety of character from the most perfect, to the meanest and those whose souls are stained with the indelible stamp of crime I have seen much of the latter class since sojourning in the land of Dixie and I have seen comparatively little to what many others have seen. There are those that are entirely devoid of all good and noble principles and have sank even lower than brutes for it were better for them had they never been born." (BW to MW, 4/18/1862, Elizabethtown, KY) Ben is not more forthcoming in his early letters to what he terms as the conditions of the "indelible stamp of crime". His letters posted from Kentucky at that time do not mention the institution of slavery, nor any of the slave conditions, from which his opinions may have been based. Touring throughout Kentucky, which remained as a border state throughout the Civil War, he may have been more exposed to the "street talk' of southern sympathizers than to the realities of the "true" South. A letter later that same month suggests this may have been the case. "We have more to do here than any of the other companies have we are here in one of the hotbeds of rebellion the Union citizens are very much frightened; but we think we are enough for all the rebels they can raise here; we have some fine times, sometimes one of them will hurrah for Jeff Davis and then he is sure to get himself nicely whipped." It would not be until May, 1862, in Tennessee, that Ben saw more of the plantation slavery system and commented on the moral issues. "I think I never saw any country that I liked better as far as the surface and climate are concerned but as far the society I do not like that at all there are some nice farms and improvements here and there is more enterpise among the inhabitants than in KY as for the slavery question you know how I liked that and the more I see of it the more I am opposed it I have seen but few regular plantations but the farther south we get the more we see of it. I have seen many slaves as white as their masters and in several instancees they had light hair and flushed cheeks. If it is right and justice to hold such persens in bondage then I do not know what Justice is." (BW to MW, fragment of letter possibly dating between May 2, and May 11, 1862, Tennessee). Tomorrow: Part III: "I think we have got as far south as we will get during the war...." ================================================================================== From: harriette jensen Subject: [HOISINGTON-L] Msg#98-53 How to read database in the archives Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 17:56:05 -0700 (PDT) Hi, all. Birdie took me up on the invitation to check the Hoisington list archives and had a question that others might have (it looked perfectly logical to me when I sent it!!). The database (as input from Harry Hoisington's book; see me if you want more information or updates) is set up in alphabetical order by first name. It was once a table, so you can convert it back if you wish by selecting the text, doing "insert text to table" using tabs as the delineator. The fields (listed across) are as follows: >First Name Birth Date Death Date Generational Number >Source > >Marion Leroy 1887 (30 MAY) 1917 (12 DEC) 2.01.08.02.03.03 " The following would be read "Marion Leroy Hoisington", "born 30 May 1887," died 12 Dec 1917", and he was (reading backwards) "the third child, of the third child, of the second child, of the eighth child, of the first child, of the second child of John Horsington". If you want to find the the ancestors of this person, you would have to have the complete database. But his Hoisington parent would be person # 2.01.08.02.03 and his Hoisington grandparent would be #2.01.08.02, etc. If you don't have enough hard disk storage to keep all this at the ready or are just in a hurry , just give me the number of the person you are interested in and I'll give you the ancestry, siblings, spouses, etc. Please address your requests to the list, so that everyone will get the information. Harriette ================================================================================== From: Larry Vredenburgh Subject: [HOISINGTON-L] My Hoisington Webpage Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 20:31:12 -0700 Howdy: I would like to know if any one out there is a descendant of William Henry Hoisington (b. May 6, 1827) and Lucinda Vredenburgh. In order to help clarify their descendants I have put together a web page which is based on Harry Hoisington's 1934 typescript. Maida Follini generously made copies of pertinent pages which I have typed up. Please see my page at: http://userzweb.lightspeed.net/~vredenb/hoistn.htm By the way Darcy - - - great job!!!! Are there any other Hoisington web pages out there ???? Larry Vredenburg ================================================================================== From: Darcy Hoisington Subject: [HOISINGTON-L] Hoisington/Wells letters Part III Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 10:26:50 -0400 Even as early as April, 1862, Ben expressed the belief that the war would soon end, "I think we have got as far South as we will get during the war; we will not move many more times ere we move for home I think the war will soon close." (BW to MW April 18, 1862, Elizabethtown, KY). By May, however, the 11th was guarding the Nashville and Louisville Railroad. They had just received orders to march for Nashville, but "the RR Co would not run another train over the line if we left as it would not be safe to run over it for the bridges would be destroyed." (BW to MW, May 2, 1862, Nashville, TN). Still, rather than a march, the unit boarded a train to Louisville, arriving the next day. They then marched to the river and boarded the Steamer E. H. Fairchild. They would enter Tennessee from the Ohio and Cumberland rivers, passing by the "sacred soil" of Fort Donelson. The Michigan regiment were more like tourists than soldiers, "we were all anxious to stop and go on shore but the Capt of the board was very anxious or pretended to be to get through." (Ibid.) Arriving in Nashville, the regiment set camp just outside the city. Ben's letter reveals a little of the city's condition early in the war: "There are some fine buildings in the city but what a contrast there is; everywhere can be seen the works of the incendiary. There were two large bridges across the river but both have been destroyed also a number of boats and I know not how many buildings. Many of the large buildings are now used for hospitals there must be many sick soldiers here." (Ibid) Nashville's citizenry were also feeling the effects of being in a war zone, "there was not so much enthusiasm manifested on the part of the citizens as there has been at other places", and witnessing and transient military occupation. "There were 3 or 4 thousand troops here this morning but since our arrival 2 regiments of Cavalry left." (Ibid) Tennessee also saw the ravages of being a border state, torn between two ideologies. "There are but few Union people in this vicinity and some of them had been driven from their homes and their property was destroyed. The rebels are very bitter towards us here and pride themselves in boasting that [rebel guerrilla leader John] Morgan would be here in a short time and drive the Union forces back. General Negley has given the citizens to understand that if any rebel forces made their appearance that he would burn the town without regard for anyone's property and they begin to think he is in earnest." (Ibid) Ben attempted to provide consolation to Melissa regarding his safety. "New Orleans is ours and we have nearly the whole Missippi and ere long will have the whole Union... you must not feel discouraged at the thought of our going farther from home we are in no more danger here than we were in KY." (Ibid). Ben seems to be almost apologetic to his wife for the war's continuation, and sought often to assure her it was not a destiny which he would have otherwise chosen. "It will doubtless cost many lives but the price must be paid. I expected to be at home before or as soon as this when I left home but there are many things to impede the progress of war that we know not of and had it not been for the thousand unexpected and unavoided difficulties the war would have been closed..." (Ibid) "I hope there will be no need of our country having soldiers that we will again be a free and happy people. I for one do not like a solider's life so long as I have a loving and effectionarte wife who is so anxiously awaiting for me. It is not the hardships and dislike to a soliders life that makes me so anxious to get home but it is the care of one who has united her destiny with mine and for her it is that I want to get home." (BW to MW, June 5, 1862, Columbia, TN). Tomorrow: "A more tired and worse used up set of boys I never saw..." (Darcy) ================================================================================== From: Bonnie Dannenberg Subject: [HOISINGTON-L] #13 Sybel Hoisington, Brownson; #14 Elisha Hoisington Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 11:01:49 -0400 Hi Cousins, I'm *finally* getting around to entering Harrys' data into the computer. A question and a comment. Sybel, #13 in Harrys' genealogy. Does anyone have a correct date of death for her? She was b 1745 in Wallingford, Ct. m June 5, 1766 to Noahdiah Brownson. There is some date of Sept. 18, 1740. That can't be her death date since children were born in 1772 and 1780. What's the Sept. 1740 date??? Next, Elisha, #14...No question, I was just "musing". In his will, he leaves everything to his wife, *except* his "Best Beaver Hat", which he leaves to his brother James. It's a very short will. (no children)...Funny what we consider "important" in life...? *********************************** Private 15th Regt. Col. Noadiah Hooker, March 1780. Regt. raised for the defense of sea ports. Probably no children as none are mentioned in the following will - ELISHA HOSSINGTON, Farmington Invt.L 3871-17-08 Taken by Huit Strong, Ephraim Boardman and Nathaniel Judd. Will dated 11 Jan. 1748. I, Elisha Hossington, of Farmingtown, do make this my last will and testament; I give to Hannah, my wife, whom I make sole executrix all and singular my lands, messuages and tenements together all my household goods, debts and movable estate (except my best beaver hat and 20 shillings more) to be by her freely possessed and enjoyed. I give to my brother James Hossington, my best beaver hat, the rest of my brethren and surviving sister I give 5 shillings. Elisha Hossington L S Court Record page 77 4 October 1748 The last will and testament of Elisha Hossington, late of Farmington was now exhibited by Hannah Hossington, Executrix. Will proven and Inventory ordered and kept Copied in the Denver. Colo. Public Library Aug. 1931. (1) Barbour Index a Vol LR5 p645, b Vol LR6 p305 (Hannah Carr) ================================================================================== From: "Tonia Zinninger" Subject: Re: [HOISINGTON-L] Hoisington/Wells letters Part III Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 17:18:23 -0600 Darcy, My great grandfather was Lucian father of Bide(Abisha), father of Joseph Edward By Genevieve DeCou. This is all i been able to find out. Joseph is my father by a girlfriend he had . Been trying to find out about the family for years. Is it possible you may any information about them please. Tonia Jean Hoisington Zinninger ---------- > From: Darcy Hoisington > To: HOISINGTON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [HOISINGTON-L] Hoisington/Wells letters Part III > Date: Wednesday, May 20, 1998 8:26 AM > > Even as early as April, 1862, Ben expressed the belief that the war > would soon end, "I think we have got as far South as we will get during > the war; we will not move many more times ere we move for home I think > the war will soon close." (BW to MW April 18, 1862, Elizabethtown, KY). > By May, however, the 11th was guarding the Nashville and Louisville > Railroad. They had just received orders to march for Nashville, but > "the RR Co would not run another train over the line if we left as it > would not be safe to run over it for the bridges would be destroyed." > (BW to MW, May 2, 1862, Nashville, TN). Still, rather than a march, the > unit boarded a train to Louisville, arriving the next day. They then > marched to the river and boarded the Steamer E. H. Fairchild. They > would enter Tennessee from the Ohio and Cumberland rivers, passing by > the "sacred soil" of Fort Donelson. The Michigan regiment were more > like tourists than soldiers, "we were all anxious to stop and go on > shore but the Capt of the board was very anxious or pretended to be to > get through." (Ibid.) > > Arriving in Nashville, the regiment set camp just outside the city. > Ben's letter reveals a little of the city's condition early in the war: > > "There are some fine buildings in the city but what a contrast there > is; everywhere can be seen the works of the incendiary. There were two > large bridges across the river but both have been destroyed also a > number of boats and I know not how many buildings. Many of the large > buildings are now used for hospitals there must be many sick soldiers > here." (Ibid) > > Nashville's citizenry were also feeling the effects of being in a war > zone, "there was not so much enthusiasm manifested on the part of the > citizens as there has been at other places", and witnessing and > transient military occupation. "There were 3 or 4 thousand troops here > this morning but since our arrival 2 regiments of Cavalry left." (Ibid) > Tennessee also saw the ravages of being a border state, torn between two > ideologies. > > "There are but few Union people in this vicinity and some of them had > been driven from their homes and their property was destroyed. The > rebels are very bitter towards us here and pride themselves in boasting > that [rebel guerrilla leader John] Morgan would be here in a short time > and drive the Union forces back. General Negley has given the citizens > to understand that if any rebel forces made their appearance that he > would burn the town without regard for anyone's property and they begin > to think he is in earnest." (Ibid) > > Ben attempted to provide consolation to Melissa regarding his safety. > "New Orleans is ours and we have nearly the whole Missippi and ere long > will have the whole Union... you must not feel discouraged at the > thought of our going farther from home we are in no more danger here > than we were in KY." (Ibid). Ben seems to be almost apologetic to his > wife for the war's continuation, and sought often to assure her it was > not a destiny which he would have otherwise chosen. > > "It will doubtless cost many lives but the price must be paid. I > expected to be at home before or as soon as this when I left home but > there are many things to impede the progress of war that we know not of > and had it not been for the thousand unexpected and unavoided > difficulties the war would have been closed..." (Ibid) > > "I hope there will be no need of our country having soldiers that we > will again be a free and happy people. I for one do not like a > solider's life so long as I have a loving and effectionarte wife who is > so anxiously awaiting for me. It is not the hardships and dislike to a > soliders life that makes me so anxious to get home but it is the care of > one who has united her destiny with mine and for her it is that I want > to get home." (BW to MW, June 5, 1862, Columbia, TN). > > Tomorrow: "A more tired and worse used up set of boys I never saw..." > > (Darcy) > ================================================================================== From: Darcy Hoisington Subject: Re: [HOISINGTON-L] Hoisington/Wells letters Part III Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 09:40:41 -0400 Tonia Zinninger wrote: > > Darcy, My great grandfather was Lucian father of Bide(Abisha), father of > Joseph Edward By Genevieve DeCou. This is all i been able to find out. > Joseph is my father by a girlfriend he had . Been trying to find out about > the family for years. Is it possible you may any information about them > please. Tonia Jean Hoisington Zinninger > > ---------- Tonia and all -- I'm wondering if Joseph Edward is the youngest child mentioned as "Edward" in the Kansas and Kansans reference. Do I understand the chronology right as: Lucian, Abisha, Joseph Edward, Joseph, Tonia ? I have some more info on the Joseph Edward relations (brothers Frederick and his family) and will forward that tomorrow (will bring in binder at home -- my email is through my work computer) and maybe some extra reference sources... --darcy ================================================================================== From: Darcy Hoisington Subject: [HOISINGTON-L] Wells/Hoisington Letters Part IV Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 12:57:23 -0400 Although the 11th saw battle at Murfreesboro and Stone River, Ben's letters did not reflect any of the actual engagements. Ben shared the excitement of Union victory, and the growth of the Union advance armies. "There will be 12,000 troops here by tomorrow evening and there will be a forward movement immediately eastward. Eastern Tenn is to be the field of operations." (BW to MW, June 10, 1862, Murfreesboro, TN) The 11th remained on provost duty at Murfreesboro. In a letter written June 26, 1862, Ben shared more information about the privations of soldiering. "We were then ordered on a forced march for Pikesville 38 miles farther and 22 miles of the road was over the mountains we arrived at the foot of the mountain and had to climb about three miles over the roughest road I ever saw many of the men were entirely worn out and the side of the road was strewn with men that could go no further... there we were without anything to eat and no blankets. There was a flock of sheep nearby, and they were soon all killed but we had no salt and nothing to cook it with so it did not relish very well so we slept in the brush all night. The next morning our teams came up and we had some hard crackers for breakfast..." (BW to MW, June 26, 1862, Murfreesboro, TN) After arriving back in camp, Ben remarked, "a more tired and worse used up set of boys I never saw". Despite the physical demands of the soldiering, the Union cause was not lost in Ben's mind. "The country over which we passed is thinly settled and is hilly and mountainous and as a general thing the people are of a less wealthy class I for one do not wish to live in the mountains of East Tenn. There is a much stronger Union element through that portion of the state then in any other portion we have been but they have been overpowered by the rebels and had all their arms taken from them and thus left without the means of defense. They have suffered much from the hands of their enemies. If they could be armed and had time to organize they could protect themselves, but the rebels have been driven from the country and I doubt whether they will come back to molest their neighbors." (Ibid) As for the Union army's tactical stragegies against the rebel guerrillas in Eastern Tennessee, Ben said, "we have made up our minds that there is no use in following them for retreating has become a science with them and they are getting so they understand it to perfection." Tomorrow, Part V: "you would not know him if you were to see him" (Darcy Hoisington) ================================================================================== From: "Birdie L. McNutt" Subject: [HOISINGTON-L] H. Hoisington data base Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 10:55:53 -0700 Hi Harriette, I looked with the search engine and did not find the first part of Harry Hoisington's list of names A-D, if anyone has this can you please post it to the list or my private e-mail address. Thanks in advance Birdie (Totty) McNutt ================================================================================== From: Whoisin2 Subject: Re: [HOISINGTON-L] Msg#98-53 How to read database in the archives Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 15:48:42 EDT Hey one more time, What does she mean in the following e-mail about search engine? Hi Harriette, I looked with the search engine and did not find the first part of Harry Hoisington's list of names A-D, if anyone has this can you please post it to the list or my private e-mail address. Thanks in advance Birdie (Totty) McNutt Thanks..... Will ================================================================================== From: harriette jensen Subject: Re: [HOISINGTON-L] Msg#98-53 How to read database in the archives Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 22:00:02 -0700 (PDT) > >What does she mean in the following e-mail about search engine? > Hi, Will, I posted the following address while you were unsubbed: http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl If you put this address in your browser, you will be at the rootsweb search engine (rootsweb.com is the server that the Hoisington List is based on). And if you enter "Hoisington" when it asks for the list name, you can search on any word or phrase (be sure to put it inside quotes). The list has been archived for about a year and a half now, which means that all old messages are available for people to search. Birdie's problem seems to be that, at the very beginning of the list's existence, I started inputting all the names, birthdates and deathdates of all Hoisingtons listed in Harry Hoisington's book, Hoisingtons in America. However, the list archives must have started after I started posting the material. I'll have to repost so that it will be in there. BTW, Harry didn't do a very good job of documenting our branch of the Hoisington tree. He left off with Jesse "K." (wrong, it's H for Hawkins) Hoisington, father of Daniel Jesse Hoisington (my g-grandfather and your ?-grandfather). I sent you all the subsequent Hoisingtons that I had at the time. One of the reasons that I encourage people to post their lines is that you never know who's going to be using the search engine. I might be that long-lost 4th half-cousin that you've been looking for! Harriette ================================================================================== From: Bonnie Dannenberg Subject: Re: [HOISINGTON-L] Msg#98-53 How to read database in the archives Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 10:11:10 -0400 At 10:00 PM 5/22/98 -0700, harriette jensen wrote: >BTW, Harry didn't do a very good job of documenting our branch of the >Hoisington tree. He left off with Jesse "K." (wrong, it's H for Hawkins) >Hoisington, father of Daniel Jesse Hoisington (my g-grandfather and your >?-grandfather). I sent you all the subsequent Hoisingtons that I had at >the time. Harriette, How did you handle the errors when you entered his data? For example, he has a "Fally" that I'm pretty sure would have been "Sally", but I entered it the way he had it. (That's not really a very good example, but there are other errors that I/we know are errors.) Did you correct them, or enter them as he had them? I know one thing, even with his errors I'm eternally grateful for his work. Without it, I'd STILL be trying to find Caira's parents. :) >One of the reasons that I encourage people to post their lines is that you >never know who's going to be using the search engine. I might be that >long-lost 4th half-cousin that you've been looking for! True. And if memory serves, you 'found' me by finding a message I had sent to a list, a couple of years before. It still happens. I'll hear from someone as a result of a message I posted somewhere a year or two earlier. One more question. How does one make an index?? I'm using Family Tree Maker, and some of the printouts of my lines are now getting to be 60 pages and more. (There's an index in the program, but I'd like to include an index with the printouts.) Does anyone else here use FTM or have any suggestions? Will the program make an index to print out? Is there an "easy" way to do it? I'm getting to the point in my data entry where this is becoming important. (I can't just "copy" Harry's index, because I have additional descendants that he didn't) Bonnie - ================================================================================== From: Bonnie Dannenberg Subject: [HOISINGTON-L] Murphy's Law for genealogists... Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 10:46:44 -0400 I hesitate to send this, because I find that sometimes people have already seen these things 10 times. But I'm going to break my own rule of not re-sending, and send it along to the list. My apologies if it's something you've already seen. Bonnie - _______________________________________________________________________ Have you seen "Murphy's law for genealogists"? _______________________________________________________________________ The public ceremony in which your distinguished ancestor participated and at which the platform collapsed under him turned out to be a hanging. When at last after much hard work you have solved the mystery you have been working on for two years, your aunt says, "I could have told you that" You grandmother's maiden name that you have searched for for four years was on a letter in a box in the attic all the time. You never asked your father about his family when he was alive because you weren't interested in genealogy then. The will you need is in the safe on board the Titanic. Copies of old newspapers have holes occurring only on the surnames. John, son of Thomas, the immigrant whom your relatives claim as the family progenitor, died on board ship at age 10. Your gr grandfather's newspaper obituary states that he died leaving no issue of record. The keeper of the vital records you need has just been insulted by another genealogist. The relative who had all the family photographs gave them all to her daughter who has no interest in genealogy and no inclination to share. The only record you find for your gr grandfather is that his property was sold at a sheriff's sale for insolvency. The one document that would supply the missing link in your dead-end line has been lost due to fire, flood or war. The town clerk to whom you wrote for the information sends you a long handwritten letter which is totally illegible. The spelling of your European ancestor's name bears no relationship to its current spelling or pronunciations. None of the pictures in your recently deceased gr mother's photo album have names written on them. No one in your family tree ever did anything noteworthy, owned property, was sued or was named in wills. You learn that your great aunt's executor just sold her life's collection of family genealogical materials to a flea market dealer "somewhere in New York City" Ink fades and paper deteriorates at a rate inversely proportional to the value of the data recorded. The 37 volume, sixteen thousand page history of your county of origin isn't indexed. You finally find your gr grandparent's wedding records and discover that the brides' father was named John Smith. ================================================================================== From: harriette jensen Subject: Re: [HOISINGTON-L] Msg#98-53 and Msg #98-54 How to read database in the archives/New Web Page Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 10:08:52 -0700 (PDT) > >Harriette, How did you handle the errors when you entered >his data? Hi, Bonnie and All, It's been quite a while since I entered the information for the list, but the best recollection I have is that I entered it "as written". For one thing, I didn't know it was wrong at the time! In my own database, however, I have changed all the errors, noted alternate spellings in records, added info, etc. I kid a lot about "Ol' Harry" and his errors, but if I had to type all that info in without a computer, from handwritten notes and letters, with 5 carbon copies, I don't know that my typing would have been perfect either. The database that I put on the list was from the "Hoisington/Hossenton/Horseinton/Horsington : Generation No." list that came with Harry's main work. It does NOT NECESSARILY match the main work exactly in terms of dates or even names. For instance, there is an Albert Humble Hoisington listed in the online database, but none listed in the index for the main work, and I have not run across A.H. anywhere else, so this is the ONLY listing for him that Harry had. The database that I will use for the web page I will start working on today is going to be my personal database. It will include Harry's information when it is the only information I have, but will be updated with what I have found out since then. I know that some of you also have, or are planning on having Hoisington web pages, and I would love to be able to link from a name I have to the same name on your web page, so that all info on a particular person would be linked. This will take some coordination, so I would be a very happy camper if you would write to me so that we can work this out. Obviously, this web page is going to take a long time to accomplish, but I will definitely let you know when the first installment is online. If you would like to add your lines to it, you KNOW I would be happy to do that. If you would like to have your own web page and don't quite know how to go about it, I would be happy to help you. Harriette ================================================================================== From: Larry Vredenburgh Subject: [HOISINGTON-L] Almina Knickerbocker Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 21:24:32 -0700 In Harry's genealogy for the Knickerbocker family ( #565 on p. 180) he questions the name Almina (Knickerbocker). Almina was in fact her great grand mother's name. Almena Vredenburgh was Lucinda Vredenburgh's mother. Lucinda father was Henry. Larry Vredenburg ================================================================================== From: harriette jensen Subject: Re: [HOISINGTON-L] Almina Knickerbocker Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 21:37:00 -0700 (PDT) >In Harry's genealogy for the Knickerbocker family ( #565 on p. 180) he >questions the name Almina (Knickerbocker). Almina was in fact her great >grand mother's name. Almena Vredenburgh was Lucinda Vredenburgh's >mother. Lucinda father was Henry. > Hi, Larry. Thanks for clearing that up. Do you have any more info on this family? Harriette ================================================================================== From: Darcy Hoisington Subject: Re: [HOISINGTON-L] Murphy's Law for genealogists... Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 12:01:21 -0400 Bonnie, this was wonderful! It gave me a good belly laugh... a rare treat for me!! No one missed the ongoing saga of the Wells' on Friday 'cause I wasn't at work -- stayed home with wretched migraine after evening out to dinner and the movie "Godzilla" -- dinner wasn't that good and neither was the movie -- maybe Friday was retribution for spending all that money!! Today is Sunday and I got into the office to check my emails -- but forgot the paper (I had hoped to type in and get caught up on the saga). :( sometimes a mind like a sieve. Talk to you all next week -- have a safe and fun (!) holiday --darcy Bonnie Dannenberg wrote: > > I hesitate to send this, because I find that sometimes > people have already seen these things 10 times. But I'm > going to break my own rule of not re-sending, and send it > along to the list. My apologies if it's something you've > already seen. > Bonnie - > ================================================================================== From: "Birdie L. McNutt" Subject: [HOISINGTON-L] John HORSINGTON I, b: ca 1625 Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 18:47:29 -0700 Hi Rooters, I have decided someone might be able to use the following information that I believe documents John HORSINGTON I as being born ca: 1625; John HORSINGTON (HORSINGTON) was born ca 1625 in most likely in England, and died Bef. November 05, 1673 in York County, Virginia 2. He married DOROTHY 3. See following records which backs up the date of birth as being ca 1625; ***** York County, Virginia, Colonial Abstracts, Volume III, 1648-1657, page 133. No.1. page335. Indenture. 24 Apl 1657. Henry TYLER and Robt BOURNE sell John HORSINGTON (also as Horseington in the entry), for a sum of tobacco already pd but amt not show, 300 acres in par of Marson in Co. of York. Bounded as follows; from a marked oak on N side of the main swamp of St. Andrews Creek by the land of Thomas PANKERMAN thence to a marked hickory by Reckahock [Rickahock] path, thence by the path E., etc. etc. Signed Henry TYLER, Rob; BOURNE. Wit: Tho Ballard. Recognit by TYLER and BOURNE and recorded 24 April 1657. [BTM] This being a deed dated in 1657 also would likely mean that this John HORSINGTON would be an adult and born about 1625. John HORSINGTON II would only be about 7 years old at this time. ***** Virginia Colonial Abstracts, Vol. III, York County, 1648-1657, page 142 No.3. p.4A Deposition of John HORSINGTON 'aged 32 yeares or thereabts" [BTM note: making dob abt 1625]. Says "that being in discourse with Sarah TAYLOR the wife of John TAYLOR the said Sarah said that shee heard that wee shall be parted and I made hir Answeare that that was in every bodyes mouthin the parish then she said if thery were parted she would come to him by night or by day for where love could not goe itt would creepe att another time I being att Robert TAYLOR his house where the said Sarah did live the said Robert TAYLOR coming home hee said to Sarah the wife of John TAYLOR there is a sweet clamour abroad for people say that I dandle you on my knee and kisse you. Itt is noe matter said Sarah if you have the Devil take you if you doe not And further saith not". Signed the marke of John X HORSINGTON. 24 Oct 1657. Sworn before Daniel Park and Robert BOURNE. Rec. 26 Oct 1657. ["Note: I bet Sarah raised a sweet clamour when she heard of this bit of talebearing. And we can only hope she slapped the H- -l out of Mr. HORSINGTON the next time she met him. B.F."] [BTM] This deposition again places this John HORSINGTON's date of birth at abt 1625 as he stated in 1657 that he was "aged 32 years or thereabouts". ***** >From the "Extracts from the Records of York County" [Viriginia} in"William and Mary Quarterly", Vol 26, No. 1, Jul., 1917 ITINERARY JUDGES At a County Court holden at York the 25th day of August 1662 in the 14th year of the Rayne of our Soveraigne Lord Charles the Second by the Grace of God of England, Scotland, ffrance, & Ireland King Defender of the Faith &c by his Majesties Honble Itinerary Judges and Councelrs of State and his Justices of the peace for the said County of Yorke vizt--Coll: Edward HILL, Esqre, Coll: Edward HILL, Esqre, Coll: Thomas Swan, Esqre, Itinerary Judges: Coll: Nathaniel Bacon, Coll: George Reade, Mr. Thomas Beale Esqres, Counsellrs of State; Lt Coll: William Barber, Major Joseph Croshaw, Capt. William Hay, Mr Edmond Peeters, Capt. Ralph Langley, Capt Daniell Parke, Justices: Silence being first commanded on payne of Imprisonment the Comission granted by the Hoble his Maties Governor to Col. Edward HILL and Coll: Thomas Swann to sitt as Itinerary Judges was Read & Also the proclamation under the said Itinerary Judges hands giving liberty to any person or persons having just complaint against any justice of York Comission or the whole courte for partiality or injustice or against any officer of the court Sheriffe or Clarke for non-performance of their office or Extortion of fees since the last circuit of the Itinerary Judges to prosecute their complaints & they should be heard whose silence at this Court to be a barr against all future claimes or pretences and that being made hereafter shall make the complaintant lyable to an action of scandall. The Grand Jury Impanelled according to Act of Assembly to enquire concerning the breach of penall Statutes being returned to the court by the sheriff vizt: Mr. John PAGE, foreman, Mr. Peter EFFORD, Mr. William NEWMAN, Mr. Thomas CROUCH, Mr. Thomas MITCHELL, Mr. William PATTISON, Mr. John ADUSTON, Mr. Thomas ALLIN, Mr. John HORSINGTON, Mr. Thomas BROMFIEL, Mr. Henry FREEMAN, Mr. John HUNT. [BTM] again this is John HORSINGTON the first as John II would only be about 12 years old, not old enough to be on a jury. ***** Cavalier and Pioneers, Patent Book No. 4, page 422 John LEGGATT, 376 acs. New Kent Co., 12 Jan. 1662, p. 83, (563). Upon branches of blacke Cr., beg. at corner of Tho. LONDONS in Westover path, running N. to land of John HORSINGTON, thence to line of Edm. PRICE &c. Trans. of 7 pers: Barnaby EATON, Wm. BAGLY, Wm. JENT, Jno VAUGHAN, Sarah ROSE, Tho. HARDING, Tho. JACKSON. [BTM] this now shows that John HORSINGTON I, as owing land in New Kent County. ***** Cavalier and Pioneers Patent Book No. 5, pp 478-479 John HORSINGTON, Gent., 1750 acs. New Kent Co., 17 Apr. 1663, p. 263, (202). Upon branches & main swamp of Black Cr., beg. in the line of Thomas LONDON by Westover path, running nigh and Indian Field &c. to Mr. HUBBERDS land &c. Trans. 35 pers: Robt. HORSINGTON, Thomas HORSINGTON, Dorothy CANNON, Dorathy HORSINGTON, Thomas MILLISENT, Wm PIERCE, Wm. HEMMINGS, Jno. WATTS, Eliz. FREY, Jno. IRON, Eliz. MILES, Mary a Negro, Joane CARTER, Johannah RAWLINGS, Abraham KNOWLES, Lewis GRIFFIN, Joseph FLOWER, Fran. DENOWARE, Nathaniell BARKER, Thomas WILLIAMS, Dall. MERRICK, Wm. RICHARDSON, Robet. BOWENE, George Robts. (ROBERTS), Joseph BLAYTON, Jno. ADAMS, Richard PRICE, Wm. PARKE, Sarah PARKE, Wm. PARKE, his wife, Wm SWINBORNE, Edward HARRIS, Wm. BEAMOND, Rice a Welchman. [BTM] Look highly likely that now John I, is transporting his brother Robert HORSINGTON, John I's wife Dorothy, and another possible brother named Thomas HORSINGTON. Dorothy HORSINGTON; Genelogies of Virginia Families, Vol IV, Extant Wills from Counties Whose Records have Been Destroyed, Deed of Robert HORSINGTON. By Geo. Harrison Sanford KING, Fredericksburg, Virginia. page 633. By indenture dated February 21, 1669, Burr HARRISON, as attorney for Robert HORSINGTON, conveyed a portion of the HORSINGTON patent consisting of 600 acres to Samuel SNEAD. This deed was recorded in Stafford Court, "but [Compiler George Harrison Sanford Fink] I failed to find a copy of it in the chancery papers from which this data information is taken. Dorothy HORSINGTON of York County, Virginia, execueted the following instrument; .........."To all to whom these presents shall come Whereas Robert ..........HORSINGTON late of York County [Virginia] dec'd had a ..........Tract of land of 2000 acres lying in Stafford County in Potomak ..........River and did for several good causes and considerations out ..........of the said tract of land did give unto Burr HARRISON to sell ..........who sold 600 acres of the remaining 1400 for 7000lb Tobacco and ..........whereas I Dorothy HORSINGTON late wife of John ..........HORSINGTON dec'd. and Guardian to my child and administratrix ..........to my said Husband who was administrator to Robert his brother ..........aforesaid did impower George BRENT of Stafford County, Gent. ..........to recover the said Tobacco from Burr HARRISON or to make ..........composition with him and whereas the said BRENT did find that ..........the said HARRISON had right to the aforesaid 600 acres of Land ..........Know Ye therefore that I upon the receipt of what Tobacco the ..........said Burr HARRISON stands indebted to me I the said Dorothy ..........HORSINGTON do assign and make over to the said Burr ..........HARRISON his heirs and assigns forever all my right and Title to ..........the said 600 acres of Land it being that part which he is already ..........seated on To have and to hold against all persons claims from by or ..........under me to all which Witness my hand and seal this 5th day of ..........November 1673. Dorothy HORSINGTON" [BTM] This places the death of John HORSINGTON I, before Nov 5, 1673, and I believe highly likely the child she spoke of was John HORSINGTON II. Please let me know any comments to above, or if you disagree with the above records and my interpretation. Thanks in advance. Birdie (Totty) McNutt ( ( : ) Birdiemc@juno.com ================================================================================== From: harriette jensen Subject: [HOISINGTON-L] Msg#98-54 Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 22:52:32 -0700 (PDT) Hi, Birdie. See you're back from the Dallas Library! I knew when I saw your postings on the Combs List that you'd dig up the information on the John Horsington in Cavaliers and Pioneers. This is/are the John Horsington(s) that were mentioned before in Virginia, but with a LOT more information. I think that were at least 2 John Horsingtons (unless 1 had land in both York and New Kent counties), a Thomas (who had a son, Benedictus who had no male heirs), and a Robert Horsington in VA. I also think we still have the same problem: there are several John Horsingtons and we still don't have a connection between the ones that Harry documented and the ones you have here. And remember that the names Horsington, Hossington, and Hoisington were used interchangeably during this time. The reasons I think that we are talking about several John Horsingtons is: 1) There is a John Horsington (let's call him John A) b. abt 1625 (from the date on the VA Colonial Abstract, p. 142). Assuming Dorothy is the wife of the same John, he died before Nov. 1673. 2) In 1675/76, there was a John Horsington (John B) serving in the MA militia in King Phillip's War. He would have had to be at least 16 years old to serve. John A would have been 50 at this time or dead. 2) Sometime before 1692, a John Horsington (possibly John B) was living on Long Island and holding public office. John A would have been in his 60's at this time, John C may not have been born yet. 2) In 1692, there is a will in CT giving guardianship of "the boy Hossington". Assuming that the child Dorothy mentions in John A's will was a newborn, that would make him 19 in 1692, too old to need a guardian. So this would have to be John C. 3) NEHGS gives a death date and place for John Horsington as 20 Dec 1703, East Hampton NY 4) There are several ship records between 1706 and 1713 showing a John Horsington traveling between Bristol and VA, and Bristol and New York. 5) Harry's documentation shows: John Horsington (abt 1640-) John (II) (3 Mar 1693-20 Nov 1728) John (III) Hoisington (5 Nov 1713-23 Dec 1797) John could have been the John in (1) and (2) above but not (4) John II doesn't fit any of the dates John III doesn't fit any of the dates As I see it, there was 1 and possibly 2 John Horsingtons in VA and 3 in NY/MA/CT. The only overlap in dates I see is between John A and Harry's John ("the Immigrant"). Since both of them were supposed to have been born in England, I think that's where we're going to have to look in order to figure this out. Sure is messy. Anybody got any ideas how to present THIS on the web page I was planning to start working on this week (bought the software, got a new ISP and everything). Harriette ================================================================================== From: "Karen Donaldson" Subject: [HOISINGTON-L] Re: [HOISINGTONs in Michigan) Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 08:19:07 -0400 A question: Are any of the people using this list related to the late Albert Hoisington of Belding, Michigan? If so, would you drop me a line and introduce yourself? ================================================================================== From: Bonnie Dannenberg Subject: Re: [HOISINGTON-L] Murphy's Law for genealogists... Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 08:26:26 -0400 At 12:01 PM 5/24/98 -0400, Darcy Hoisington wrote: >-- but forgot the paper (I had hoped to type in and get >caught up on the saga). :( The letters are just fabulous. You're so lucky to have them. I'm finding them fascinating to read, and thank you so much for sharing with us. :) As for the other items I posted, my own experiences have been: >You grandmother's maiden name that you have searched for for >four years was on a letter in a box in the attic all the time. That would be me! :) I really have to get my filing system under control! >You never asked your father about his family when he was alive >because you weren't interested in genealogy then. Oooooh, yeah! (Well, not my father, because he was killed by lightning when I was an infant), but true for everyone else in the family. HOW true! And when I actually *lived* in the area where my ancestors lived, I wasn't interested in genealogy. I only became interested/obsessed with genealogy, when it required a 4 or 6 or 10 hour drive to get back there.:) >The relative who had all the family photographs gave them all to her daughter >who has no interest in genealogy and no inclination to share. Or they threw everything OUT! OR they tell you, "Well, I've already 'done the family tree' for my kids. I have THREE generations!" (When you have 15 that you could give them, and what little bit they have, would still add a lot! But they're not interested in sharing their "3" generations with you, since they've already "done" the family tree!! :) I swear I actually had a cousin tell me this this spring! :) >The town clerk to whom you wrote for the information sends you a long >handwritten letter which is totally illegible. Ditto for birth/marriage and death certificates. Maybe one of you knows what the Doctor meant, when he wrote "Mental Regurgitation" as a cause of death on my ggg-grandfathers' death cert.?!?!? :)) >None of the pictures in your recently deceased gr mother's photo album have >names written on them. :) In my case my grandmother "glued" photos, and newspaper clippings of family marriage announcements and obituaries into a scrapbook. She didn't write the dates on them. :) There is a WEALTH of information there. I just wish that in all the years I kept asking her about her family, she had showed me this scrapbook and gone over things with me, rather than saying, "I don't know." :) >You finally find your gr grandparent's wedding records and discover that the >brides' father was named John Smith. :) Fortunately I'm not dealing with Smiths' or Jones', but I have noticed that practically every male in the 1600's, in all my lines, was named John, or some variation of John!! :) And that his father, brother, nephew, cousin, carried the same name.:) Aaarrrrggggghhhh!!! :) Bonnie - ================================================================================== From: Bonnie Dannenberg Subject: Re: [HOISINGTON-L] John HORSINGTON I, b: ca 1625 Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 08:47:20 -0400 Hi Birdie, This is great stuff. As usual I'm so confused! :) Can you straighten me out? 1. This is Virginia, not New England, correct? 2. It's our same John?? 3. If "our" John was an indentured "slave" (?) how did he get all this land later? 4. I'm not following the love saga with Sarah. :) What was that about? I like what she said to her husband! :) 5. And how did he come to go to New England from VA.? Or was it vice versa?? Thanks. Bonnie - ================================================================================== From: Daniel J Hoisington Subject: Re: [HOISINGTON-L] Msg#98-54 Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 09:22:13 -0500 >>Sure is messy.<< Birdie did a good job of summarizing evidence on the VA John Horsington. He is, in my judgment, not connected to the "traditional" line as documented by Harry Hoisington (and Almon Kidder who collected his information a generation earlier). ================================================================================== From: harriette jensen Subject: Re: [HOISINGTON-L] John HORSINGTON I, b: ca 1625 Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 07:37:13 -0700 (PDT) 3. If >"our" John was an indentured "slave" (?) how did he >get all this land later? Hi, Bonnie. In this case, I think they're using the word "indenture" in one of its other meanings... namely "a formal certificate (as an inventory or voucher) prepared for purposes of control".... in this case, to sell TO John Horsington the control of the 300 acres of land. Harriette >> ***** >>York County, Virginia, Colonial Abstracts, Volume III, 1648-1657, page >>133. >> No.1. page335. Indenture. 24 Apl 1657. Henry TYLER and Robt >>BOURNE sell John HORSINGTON (also as Horseington in the entry), for a >>sum of tobacco already pd but amt not show, 300 acres in par of Marson >>in Co. of York. Bounded as follows; from a marked oak on N side of the >>main swamp of St. Andrews Creek by the land of Thomas PANKERMAN thence >>to a marked hickory by Reckahock [Rickahock] path, thence by the path >>E., etc. etc. Signed Henry TYLER, Rob; BOURNE. Wit: Tho Ballard. >>Recognit by TYLER and BOURNE and recorded 24 April 1657. >> >>[BTM] This being a deed dated in 1657 also would likely mean that this >>John HORSINGTON would be an adult and born about 1625. John HORSINGTON >>II would only be about 7 years old at this time. >> ================================================================================== From: "Tonia Zinninger" Subject: Re: [HOISINGTON-L] Msg#98-53 How to read database in the archives Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 22:41:34 -0600 Harriette, >> I hope the follwing information will be of help.I was born in Fort Worth, Texas on April 19, 1947 to Nora Belle Goodman and Joseph Edward Hoisington. My Mother was born on Nov. 29,1929 in Niles, MI. to Fern Harriet(later changed to Iris Coral) Hart and Clifford Oliver .Goodman. >Iris was born on Sept. 13, 1913 and died June 1, 1991 her mother was Norabelle maiden name unknown. Father was named Chauncy Lafern or lavern Hart. >Clifford Was born July 20, 1908 in Nappanee, IND. died Jan. 5, 1978 in Niles, MI. I do know a little bit more on Clifford Family if you want it. > I've been married twice Ist was Richard Watson Rowbottom one son by him Raymond Ward Rowbottom born March 21, 1966 in Miami, FL. lives in Clearwater, FL >2nd was Richard Dale Zinninger one son John Andrew Zinninger on Dec. 15,1972 in Miami, FL resides with me in Provo, UT. >If you need more info please let me know. Tonia Hoisington Zinninger P.S Married to 1st Aug.5. 1965 divorced May 20. 1969 Married 2nd on May 9, 1970 devorced Feb, 6, 1986 ================================================================================== From: Darcy Hoisington Subject: Re: [HOISINGTON-L] Murphy's Law for genealogists... Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 09:34:14 -0400 Bonnie Dannenberg wrote: > > > The letters are just fabulous. You're so lucky to have > them. I'm finding them fascinating to read, and thank > you so much for sharing with us. :) > It's been great fun! I'm actually getting anxious to start on another project, although Ben and Melissa could go on forever!! -- darcy > As for the other items I posted, my own experiences have > been: > > >You grandmother's maiden name that you have searched for for > >four years was on a letter in a box in the attic all the time. > > That would be me! :) I really have to get my filing system > under control! Darcy: I have my grandmother's maiden name, just not her second married name with which she died! Can i look up a death certificate with her first name? > > >You never asked your father about his family when he was alive > >because you weren't interested in genealogy then. > > Oooooh, yeah! (Well, not my father, because he was killed by > lightning when I was an infant), but true for everyone else > in the family. HOW true! And when I actually *lived* in > the area where my ancestors lived, I wasn't interested > in genealogy. I only became interested/obsessed with genealogy, > when it required a 4 or 6 or 10 hour drive to get back there.:) > Darcy: this is too true for me.... I'm the only child of an only child whose mother deserted the family and whose father (my grand-father) was orphaned when he (and his sisters) were pre-teens.....mother was an adoptee...and both my parents died 20+ years ago... shallow end of the gene pool am I! but then I married a Hoisington and the rest, as they say, is history.... > >The relative who had all the family photographs gave them all to her daughter > >who has no interest in genealogy and no inclination to share. > > Or they threw everything OUT! OR they tell you, "Well, I've already > 'done the family tree' for my kids. I have THREE generations!" > (When you have 15 that you could give them, and what little bit they > have, would still add a lot! But they're not interested in sharing > their "3" generations with you, since they've already "done" the family > tree!! :) I swear I actually had a cousin tell me this this spring! :) Darcy: I "found" out that my grandfather (who never spoke to me in his life) had another sister. Have written to her son and daughter inlaw, twice! but no reply -- go figure? I must be on the side of the family that did something horrible! > >The town clerk to whom you wrote for the information sends you a long > >handwritten letter which is totally illegible. > > Ditto for birth/marriage and death certificates. Maybe one of > you knows what the Doctor meant, when he wrote "Mental Regurgitation" > as a cause of death on my ggg-grandfathers' death cert.?!?!? :)) Darcy: Even with 25 years' of medical experience, I'm at a loss about "mental regurgitation" -- could be a stroke -- or dementia? > >None of the pictures in your recently deceased gr mother's photo album have names written on them. > > :) In my case my grandmother "glued" photos, and newspaper > clippings of family marriage announcements and obituaries > into a scrapbook. She didn't write the dates on them. :) > There is a WEALTH of information there. I just wish that > in all the years I kept asking her about her family, she > had showed me this scrapbook and gone over things with me, > rather than saying, "I don't know." :) > Darcy: How about no pictures of anybody past grandparents -- and even then, not a picture of the grandmother whose second married name I don't know? > >You finally find your gr grandparent's wedding records and discover that the > >brides' father was named John Smith. Darcy: My maiden name is Chase and I have Smith relatives.... > :) Fortunately I'm not dealing with Smiths' or Jones', but I have > noticed that practically every male in the 1600's, in all my lines, > was named John, or some variation of John!! :) And that his father, > brother, nephew, cousin, carried the same name.:) Aaarrrrggggghhhh!!! :) Darcy: Seems the Hoisington/Boardman side that my husband is from were not too imaginative either -- lots of II's, III's and IV's -- or just plain William, William, William, or Albert, Albert, etc... > Bonnie - ================================================================================== From: Darcy Hoisington Subject: [HOISINGTON-L] Elizabeth Hoisington Stewart Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 09:55:20 -0400 I have found the address for Elizabeth (finally!). She is the cousin who compiled the diaries and letters from the missionary Hoisingtons (to Sri Lanka). David S. and Elizabeth H. Stewart 810 Valley Manor Apts. 1570 East Avenue Rochester, NY 14610 Super nice lady with lots of info! Not on the "net" yet... encourage her to do so, Maida !! --darcy ================================================================================== From: Darcy Hoisington Subject: [HOISINGTON-L] Wells/Hoisington Letters: Part V (?) Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 10:25:32 -0400 "You would not know him if you were to see him" June and July, 1862, found Ben and the 11th Michigan back in Nashville with both Ben, and Melissa's brother, Wallace Hoisington, ill. some of the diseases facing Civil War soldiers and nursing personnel were cholera, dysentery, lung fever (pneumonia?), malaria, scarlet fever, small pox, typhoid fever, and yellow fever. Ben reported being on the sick list for about 10 days, but no further diagnosis was given; Wallace "is having the ague". By July 7, Ben shared distressing news about Wallace: "Wallace is having quite a severe time he has had a constant fever for several days and he begins to look pale and thin I think he has Typhoid fever. I do not think he is dangerous but it will take him sometime to get so he will be able to do duty again. he feels a little better this morning. There is considerable sickness here now, mostly Typhoid fever." The Civil War casualty rate included nearly twice as many Michigan soldiers (non-officers) dead from disease (9,459) as from battle (4,219). Despite Ben's early reports of good health: "I am well and hearty and getting fat everyday I weigh 145, which is more than I ever weighed before" (BW to MW April 18, 1862, Elizabethtown, KY), illness struck the regiment almost from the beginning of their enlistment. Ben conveyed his sympathy for his comrades, which was more than a passing concern. "Sat night one of our company departed this life for that long home from whence no traveler returns He died of Brain fever. There are many of the sick that have gone home and many more going" (BW to MW, April 18, 1862, Elizabethtown, KY). Medical care in the mid-1800's was a fledgling profession with doctors and nurses of varying abilities and limited technical resources. Many times it was the comforting hand of a relative that would be the only palliative care available: "I think this is by far the better way for at home they receive the care of kind friends who have the necessary conveniences for them and thus prolong if not save their lives..." (Ibid). Even with Ben's ill health for 9 consecutive months in 1863, he was not furloughed home, nor discharged despite Melissa's wishes: "It seems strange that the furlough does not come you have had the promise of it so long but it appears that promises are not filled in the army any more than anywhere else. I really hope you will apply for a discharge.... I would much rather you would get a discharge than a furlough, would not you for than you would not be obliged to go back at all and the thoughts of a second separation would not be to be dreaded." (MW to BW, August 9, 1863, Fabius, Michigan). Ben's experiences were perhaps unique in that he saw direct combat and he served as a nurse in a war hospital. The nursing duties are assumed, by anothe researcher (Castel, Albert, 1987, pg. 22) to have been the result of the accusation and charge of insubordination, a charge that never resulted in court-martial, not resulted in expulsion from the regiment. Ben's letters do not share or confirm the reason for his change in duties. He was, however, present during much of brother-in-law Wallace Hoisington's final days, attended him as a member of the infantry hospital nursing staff, and recounted these experiences to Melissa. Tomorrow (part VI): "I was by his side constantly with the exception of about two hours I tried to sleep..." ================================================================================== From: Darcy Hoisington Subject: [HOISINGTON-L] Tonia Hoisington Zinninger Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 13:57:57 -0400 Hello Tonia and All! I'm trying to link Tonia in the Hoisington slew of things. Please correct ANY misinformation I may have from my database. I'm going to go "backwards" from Tonia to John 'cause at this point it's a little easier with the paper work I have at hand. Here goes: 7. Tonia Zinninger 6. Joseph Edward Hoisington (8/23/1925 - 9/7/1990) + (wife unknown) 5. Abisha Hoisington (? - 1945) + Genevieve DeCou 4. Lucian Julius Hoisington + (wife unknown) 3. Aaron Abisha Hoisington (1801- 4/21/1879) + Nancy Hyde Nason (Lucian is one of the 6 brothers in this family; Susan Melissa Hoisington Wells is the subject of the Civil War "mini series" I've been sharing with you) 2. Aaron Hoisington (1770 - ?) + Hannah Wilson 1. Ebenezer Hoisington (1728 - 7/25/1804) + Elizabeth Miller I didn't go back further, at this point, because I want to make sure of the generations #6, 5, 4, and 3 relationships, and because Ebenezer is one of the "major" figures in the line, easy to work back from to John. Also, the reference I have from "Kansas and Kansans" (1918) says that Aaron Abisha Hoisington (#3) relates to "James who was a Revolutionary hero". That would take us out of Ebenezer's line into James, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense -- but in genealogy, always expect the unexpected. If Tonia, or someone, can help out with the unknown wives' names, I would appreciate it. If someone can provide confirmation or discredit my connecting Tonia to Ebenezer, Please! --darcy ================================================================================== From: harriette jensen Subject: Re: [HOISINGTON-L] Tonia Hoisington Zinninger's Ancestry Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 18:43:56 -0700 (PDT) Hi, Darcy, Tonia, and all. I was able to fill in one wife, Susannah Mohney and a couple of dates. I have the same ancestry for Tonia as you came up with. >7. Tonia Zinninger >6. Joseph Edward Hoisington (8/23/1925 - 9/7/1990) + (wife unknown) >5. Abisha Hoisington (8 Aug 1874 - [1945]) + Genevieve DeCou >4. Lucian Julius Hoisington (16 Apr 1835-18 Jan 1880) + Susannah "Susan" >Mohney >3. Abisha Hoisington (9 Dec 1803- 4/21/1879) + Nancy Hyde Nason > (Lucian is one of the 6 brothers in this family; Susan Melissa >Hoisington Wells is the subject of the Civil War "mini series" I've been >sharing with you) >2. Aaron Hoisington (1770 - Feb 1830) + Hannah Wilson >1. Ebenezer Hoisington (1728 - 7/25/1804) + Elizabeth Miller > >Also, the reference I have from "Kansas and Kansans" (1918) says that >Aaron Abisha Hoisington (#3) relates to "James who was a Revolutionary >hero". That would take us out of Ebenezer's line into James, which >doesn't make a whole lot of sense -- but in genealogy, always expect the >unexpected. I have 5 Aarons and 4 Abisha/Abishais in my database and NONE of them go back to James. In fact, I don't have any reference to Kansas for any of them! The Abisha that married Nancy Nason died in Flowerfield MI. Might we have an entirely new Aaron Abisha? What is the context of the reference? ================================================================================== From: Darcy Hoisington Subject: Re: [HOISINGTON-L] Tonia Hoisington Zinninger's Ancestry Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 09:12:17 -0400 harriette jensen wrote: > > Hi, Darcy, Tonia, and all. > > I was able to fill in one wife, Susannah Mohney and a couple of dates. I > have the same ancestry for Tonia as you came up with. > > >7. Tonia Zinninger > >6. Joseph Edward Hoisington (8/23/1925 - 9/7/1990) + (wife unknown) > >5. Abisha Hoisington (8 Aug 1874 - [1945]) + Genevieve DeCou > >4. Lucian Julius Hoisington (16 Apr 1835-18 Jan 1880) + Susannah "Susan" > >Mohney > >3. Abisha Hoisington (9 Dec 1803- 4/21/1879) + Nancy Hyde Nason > > (Lucian is one of the 6 brothers in this family; Susan Melissa > >Hoisington Wells is the subject of the Civil War "mini series" I've been > >sharing with you) > >2. Aaron Hoisington (1770 - Feb 1830) + Hannah Wilson > >1. Ebenezer Hoisington (1728 - 7/25/1804) + Elizabeth Miller > > > >Also, the reference I have from "Kansas and Kansans" (1918) says that > >Aaron Abisha Hoisington (#3) relates to "James who was a Revolutionary > >hero". That would take us out of Ebenezer's line into James, which > >doesn't make a whole lot of sense -- but in genealogy, always expect the > >unexpected. > > I have 5 Aarons and 4 Abisha/Abishais in my database and NONE of them go > back to James. In fact, I don't have any reference to Kansas for any of > them! The Abisha that married Nancy Nason died in Flowerfield MI. Might we > have an entirely new Aaron Abisha? What is the context of the reference? I don't think we have a new Aaron Abisha. I have the same multitudinous (love that word) set of Aarons/Abishas... the reference came, unexpectedly, from my delving into Andrew Jackson Hoisington, of Hoisington, Kansas fame. I found a listing for Kansas Hoisingtons (none of which included AJ) but did include descendents of Abisha Aaron and his sons, primarily Frederick Hoisington, who apparently moved on from Michigan to Kansas. There was a brief mention of Frederick's father and it listed his other brothers John, Norman, Lucian, Edward and Wallace. Like your list, I figured that repetition of first names throughout generations probably indicated a "close" relationship... thus, I made the jump to connect what Tonia knew and what the references cited... Also, last night found a couple of references to Andrew Jackson Hoisington from the Kansas webpage and the Hoisington, Kansas webpage -- including a notation that Harriette Jensen had assisted! All right, your name in print! But one of the references (they are home today, in my flurry to leave) said AJ was related to an ancestor who came from England in the 18th century and fought in the Revolutionary War and War of 1812 -- I think they're referring to Job but he certainly didn't arrive from England pre-Rev War!! Should we correct them? --darcy ================================================================================== From: Darcy Hoisington Subject: [HOISINGTON-L] Wells/Hoisington letters: Part VI Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 10:08:13 -0400 Benjamin Wells to Melissa Hoisington Wells, August 1, 1862, Nashville, TN "I did not stay in camp more than an hour before they sent for me stating that Wallace [Hoisington, Melissa's brother] was much worse. I immediately came to the hospital and I have not been out of the room but a few minutes at a time since. I found Wallace much worse than he was when I left, but today he is much better. He rested very well last night and I think he will get along now if he has good care and I will do all I can for him. He seems to think that no one can do anything for him as well as I can and when he wants anything he always calls for me. He is rational most of the time but at times he seems to be flighty and talks a great deal sometimes he talks of home but you know that to him the word home has but few charms..." August 5, 1862, Nashville, TN "It is one week ago to day since I came back to the hospital and I have been out of the room but very little since Wallace I think is some better this morning He is asleep now but he is very weak so much so that he has not been [out] of his bed for a day or two you would not know him if you were to see him He is weaker now than at any time since he has been sick but the symptoms of the disease are better. He has been in the habit of talking a great deal and have some strange fancies come over him. He would imagine himself in all sorts of places and circumstances but he talks much less and lies very quiet this morning. yesterday he was very cross and it was difficult to do anything that suited him. The rest of the time it was not difficult to wait on him. I do not think he is very dangerous now but he is not out of danger by any means for we do not know what changes may take place but if nothing more than we now know of takes place he will get along but it will be a long time ere he will be able to go to camp. It will [be] several weeks before he will be able to get out of the room but as long as I can be here with him he will have as good care as I can give him. I wish he could be at home now while he is sick he would no doubt feel much better and all his friends would feel much easier but as he is here and it would be impossible for him to get home if there was an opportunity for him so we must make the best of it and try to be content." August 18, 1862, Nashville, TN "I wrote to mother [Nancy Nason Hoisington] on the 16th and 17th and John [Wallace's brother] 17th but you will get this as soon as they will theirs. I wrote the particulars of Wallace's death and will not now rehearse them. We tried to send him home but could not on account of the R.R. being torn up between here and Galatan [TN]. We sent to Louisville [KY] for a metallic case and it came as far as Bowling Green and came no further so we had to bury the corpse yesterday. Wallace was sick a long time and suffered a great deal. no one can have an idea of his sufferings that did not see him, but we could do nothing that would relieve him. The disease was so firmly seated when he came to the hospital that they could not break it. He was not conscious more than half the time while he was sick and the last 24 hours of his existance he did not recognize any strangers. Father [Abisha Aaron Hoisington] was in on Friday, but he [Wallace] did not recognize him. At five o'clock in the afternoon on Friday the 15th he expired. He fell asleep about an hour before he died and from that sleep he never awoke in this world. He died without a struggle, a few deep breaths and all was over. I was by his side constantly with the exception of about two hours I tried to sleep. Father was not present when he died. Thus we have lost a brother and a friend and we deeply mourn his loss. But while we mourn let us remember that we are not alone in mouring the loss of friends and brothers but there are thousands of others like us that are deeply affected but such are the changes of war and many thousands more will be sacrified ere the monster rebellion will be crushed." Tomorrow: Part VII: "I have never seen the one who bears the relation of son to me" (darcy) ================================================================================== From: "Birdie L. McNutt" Subject: [HOISINGTON-L] Arthur HORSINGTON? Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 20:57:32 -0700 Hi Rooters, I think I may have found something! please give me your feedback. I believe the Arthur HASLINGTON is highly likely Arthur HORSINGTON - HOISINGTON due to the previous post on John HORSINGTON b. 1625. See the following deeds; But a little County History first.; Charles River Co., >changed to York County in 1642, >to Cloucester Co., in 1651, >to York Co., (part of James City) 1654, to New Kent Co. 1691, >to King & Queen Co., & King William Co. in 1691, to>Spotsylvania 1720. James City Co. 1634 >to New Norfolk Co. 1636, >split to Lower Norfolk 1637 & Upper Norfolk or Nansemond Co., in 1637. Lower Norfolk Co, >to Princess Anne 1691. >to part of Ind. City of Virginia Beach. Nansemond Co., and Isle of Wright Co.,[Warwick River Orig shire, change >to Warrosquoyacke Co. 1634. Nansemond & Isle of Wright was then changed to Southampton 1749. SOURCE: Everton's Handybook for Genealogists 8th Edition,. Everton, 1991. I hope this helps to tie all these surename's to the name HOISINGTON Cavaliers and Pioneers, Patent Book 1, Part I, page 53 Arthur Haslington, 200 acs. Warwicksquicke Co., 23 Dec. 1626, p. 408 Ely. upon lsand of Epaphroditus LAWSON, N. W. upon Nansamund Riv. & S.E. into the woods. Due for his own per. adv. & trans. of 3 pers: Arthur HASLINGTON, Thomas MORGAN, John BANISTER. Note: This pattent renewed in the name of Gresham COFEILD 18 July 1640. [BTM] this would make Arthur HASLINGTON at least of legal age to obtain land and to trans. others Est dob would be ca 1580-1600. This is likely Arthur HORSINGTON - HOISINGTON see below ***** Page 74 William JOHNSON, 50 acs, Warwicksquicke Co., 23 Dec 1636, p. 408. Joyning upon land of Arthur HASLINGTON Ely., N. W. upon Nansamund Riv. & S. E. into the woods. Due for his owne per. adv. [BTM]This places Arthur to be still in "Warwicksquicke" Co. ten years later. ***** Page 95. Gresham (Gressom) COFFEILD, and Thomas STAMP, 200 acs. Isle of Wright Co., 14 Aug. 1638, p. 588 Joyning upon land of Epaphroditus LAWSON Ely., N. W. upon Nansamund Riv. Due by assignment from Arthur HASLINGTON. [BTM] In 1638 Arthur assigns the land to Gresham COFFEILD. ***** Page 123 Gresham COFFEILD, 200 acs. Isle of Wight Co., July 18, 1640, p. 728. Adj. Epaphropditus LAWSON. N. W. upon Nansamund River, etc. Due by assignment from Arthur HALLINGTON of patent dated 23 Dec. 1636. [BTM] Now the name is written as HALLINGTON still highly likely that it should be HOISINGTON depending on who is written the information and the dialect use. He is next recorded as being of Low. Norf. Co. ***** Page 145 James BAGNALL, 200 acs., Low. Norf. Co., Aug. 26, 1643, Page 894. Upon the head br. of Clarks Cr., belonging to the W. br. od Eliz. River, adj. land of Mr. Georg WHITE & towards Mr. Richard BENNETT. For trans. of 4 pers., assigned to him by Arthur HASLINGTON, vist: Richard LEAKE, John BUTLER, Priscilla HASLETON, Thomas BAINHAM. [BTM] This places Arthur HASLINGTON(HORSINGTON?) Richard Leake, John Butler, Priscilla HASLETON(possible HORSINGTON) and Thomas BAINHAM together in Low Norfolk Co. Remember John HORSINGTON is also noted with BAINHAM and BUTLER in New Kent Co. as previously posted. ***** To conclude these entries, to me it shows that Arthur HASLINGTON [or HORSINGTON or HOISINGTON], now mentioned in Low. Norf. Co. where John HORSINGTON was, is most highly likely to be of some relation of John HORSINGTON b. 1625. Age, place and association of other surnames places him as a possible father to John. to be continued next Jasper HORSINGTON Birdie (Totty) McNutt ( ( : ) Birdiemc@juno.com ================================================================================== From: Tina M Knapp Subject: Re: [HOISINGTON-L] Arthur HORSINGTON? Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 23:53:46 -0700 Sounds right to me cuz. Yet another spelling that NEVER existed acording to some people. Hum, I wonder how many other spellins there are? Tina Private Note, Have you check your private mail lately?? Been waiting to hear from you about my newest project. ================================================================================== From: Darcy Hoisington Subject: [HOISINGTON-L] Hoisington/Wells Letters- Finale! Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 10:29:49 -0400 Ben's voluntary enlistment in the 11th Michigan would last through to Sherman's attack on Atlanta. From September, 1861 to his discharge in August, 1864, Benjamin Wells had one 10-day furlough visit back in Fabius, Michigan. He and his bride of a few weeks were separated almost three continuous years. During that time, Melissa endured a pregnancy and childbirth without him, and raised their son from infant to toddler [and that's a whole 'nother paper!] In one of the last letters of this researcher's collection, Ben reflects on issues of child-rearing and his role as a father despite the war-imposed absence: "I feel the great responsibility as a parent although I have never seen the one that bears the relation of son to me and have never had the pleasure of fondling him on my knees and of enjoying the smiles of his innocence. I presume I would make rather an awkward appearance to act in the capacity of a Father as I have as yet had no experience in that line but I think it would not take me long to get used to it..." (BW to MW November 28, 1863, New Albany, Indiana) The 11th Michigan's participation in the battle of Chickamauga and the advance on Missionary Rdige, on November 25, 1863, reportedly gained the advance for the Union (Castel, Albert (1987), pg. 22) the third, and last year of enlistment for the 11th found the regiment joining the Georgia campaign with General Sherman's army, crossing the Chattahoochee River by July 17th and then participating in the Siege of Atlanta. The regiment mustered out of service by September 30, 1864. The 11th Michigan soldiers' sacrifices and sufferings during three years of the Civil War are documented by the following statistics: Total Regiment Enrollment1323 Killed in Action 61 Died of Wounds 31 Died in Confederate Prisons 9 Died of Disease 178 Discharged for Wounds 265 Total Casualty Rate 41.1% Much richer than personnel statistics, more commanding than the military battles, were the letters that Benjamin and Melissa Hoisington Wells sent to each other. The topics they discussed were varied, and many times this researcher felt as though she was the third, invisible party to a conversation, not just a reader of letters. The ideas, hopes, frustrations, fears and simple commentary reflected not only the war period of the Civil War soldier, but also the dynamic culture of 19th century America. This researcher is greatly indebted to Harriette Jensen, a colleague of the genealogy group HOISINGTON-L@rootsweb.com, who first brought the transcripts of the originals letters to my attention and kindly had them photocopied and mailed to my home address. ~ the end ~ ================================================================================== From: harriette jensen Subject: Re: [HOISINGTON-L] Hoisington/Wells Letters- Finale! Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 08:18:03 -0700 (PDT) > > Much richer than personnel statistics, more commanding than the >military battles, were the letters that Benjamin and Melissa Hoisington >Wells sent to each other. The topics they discussed were varied, and >many times this researcher felt as though she was the third, invisible >party to a conversation, not just a reader of letters. The ideas, >hopes, frustrations, fears and simple commentary reflected not only the >war period of the Civil War soldier, but also the dynamic culture of >19th century America. > My sentiments, exactly, Darcy. I sat for two days holding those letters in my hands, fascinated. I truly felt after reading them that I KNEW Ben and Melissa. Harriette ================================================================================== From: "Birdie L. McNutt" Subject: [HOISINGTON-L] Jasper Hoisington??? Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 20:11:24 -0700 Hi, Found more possible HOISINGTON's? with a variety of spelling. I found that on FTM Cd's someone had listed Jasper HORSINGTON as son of John HORSINTON b. 1650, and that got me to looking for the name Jasper since I had not run across that name in regards to my research on our HOISINGTON's; and look what I found. Cavaliers and Pioneers 1623 - 1666 Abstracts of Virginia Land Patents and Grants. Introduction by Robert Armistead Stewart, Baltimore 1963, Baltimore, Genealogical Publishig Company, Inc. Cavaliers and Pioneers, Patent Book No. 3 Page 101 Henry CATELYN, 500 acs. Up. New Norf. Co., 18 Feb 1638, p. 613. In the W. most branch of Eliz. Riv. 500 acs. due for his own per. adv., & 450 acs. for trans. of 9 pers: Edward SILLEY, Leonard RICHARDSON, John BOND, James JOHNSON, Jesper HODGSKINS, John TIFFENEY, John MUSGROVE, William SHARPWELL, Georg BLOWE. ***** Page 242,3 Robert WOODY, 200 acs. Low. Norf. Co., at the head of the Eastene branch of Daniel TANNERS Cr., 16 Apr. 1653, p. 30. Beg by the branch side & running for length E. by N., joining to Jasper HOGKINSONS land to a white oake & for breadth from the beg. point S. by E. &c Trans. of 4 pers: Rob. WOODY, Anne FINCH, Mary STANTON, Art. WATSON ***** Page 286 Jasper HOGKINSON, 500 acs. Low. Norf. Co., 16 Apr. 1653, p. 248. In the Eastern branch of Daniell TANNERS Cr., Trans. of 10 pers: Mary EVANS, Barbara CARTER, Anne BLAKE, James MILLICENT, Dan. SOUTHERBY, Tho. SHREWS, Allestred (?)_______, Andrew WALSON, John GREEN, John PATE. ***** Page 287 Bartholomew HOSKINS, 400 acs. Low. Norf. Co., 29 Apr. 1653, p. 253. In Broad Cr., a branch of the Eastern Br. of Eliz Riv., & adj. his own land. Incomplete. Trans. of 8 pers: 2 Scotchmen, Walter DENHAM. ***** Page 285 John MARSHALL, 50 acs., being a neck of land between Daniel TANNERS Cr. & Queens grave Cr., abutting S. W. on land of William JOHNSON, etc. 16 Apr. 1653, p. 245. Trans. of 1 per.* Note: this is neighbor of Jasper HOGKINSON. ***** Page 327 Jasper HODGKINSON, 200 acs. Low. Norf. Co., at the head of the E. branch of Daniell TANNERS Cr., 26 Mar. 1656, p. 20 (30). Adj. his own land. Granted unto Robert WOODY 16 Apr. 1653 & by him assigned unto sd. HODGKINSON. Renewed 18 Mar. 1662 ***** Virginia Colonial Abstracts, Vol III, Lower Norfolk Co., 1651-1754. [age 457. p. 457:64 Mr Lemuell Mason to collect from Daniell Tanners Creek to Capt. Willoughbyes from 40 persons and ordered to pay as follows; To sallery148 to Mr. Webster465 To Jasper Hoskins300 To Mr. William Jermy300 To himselfe165 To Laurence Phillipps102 = 1480 [next entry on p. 64 is dated 11 Nov 1653.] ***** p. 458:65 Will of Daniell Tanner. Dated 17 Nov 1653. Rec 15 Dec. 1653. To Mr. Lemuel Mason all estate on South side fo James River and all debts due. to Mrs. Anne Mason "for her grest paynes and care and love towards me" 3600 lb tobo to be paid from estate in hands of Thos. Sherley. To Mrs. Elizabeth Thelaball 600 lb tobo in hands of Tho: Sherley. To John Worsham a heifer. To James Simonds the tobo he owes and 40 lb tobo due from Jasper HOSKINSON. To Tho: Sherley the residue of estate in Virginia for the use of his child "provided the Child be Christened and named Daniell". Exor: Mr Lemuel Mason. Overseers: Thomas Sherley and Florentyne Payne. Signed Daniell Tanner. Wit: Rich: Conquest, Robte Butler. ***** p. 456:62 1st Nov 1653. Payment to be made from the County Levies. To Jasper Hoskins for goeinge with the Burgesses to towne 20 days 0300 lbs tobo. ***** Calvaliers and Pioneers, Patent Book No. 1 - Part II page 78 Daniell GOOKINS, Esqr., 2500 acs. in Up. Co. of New Norf., 29 Dec. 1637, p. 511. Upon N. W. side of Nansamund Riv., beg. at S.E. side of a Cr. lying midway bet. the mouth of Nansamund & mouth of Chuckatuck alias New Towne haven river. Granted by order of Cr. 25 Feb. 1634 & Alsoe due for trans. of 50 pers: Tho. Curtis, Jon. Curtis, Wm. Smith, Wm. Madworth, Gilbert, Whitfield, Hugh Jones, Jon. Thomas, Henry Price, Wm. Richards, Jon. Garner, Phill. Chapman, Wm. Hookes, Wm. Granger, Jon. Roe, Elias Keely, Griffin Murfin, Elias Griffin, Wm. Ellis, Jon. Hellier, Hugh Jones, Henry Casley, Jon. Scott, Jon. Burden, Jon. Buckland, Jon. Cox. Jos. Moseley, Edward. Burden, Edw. Morgan, Wal. Maner, Benj. Box, Thos. Browne, Autice Norman, Hen. Norman, Peter Norman, Anth. Elsworth, Ann Elsworth, Geo. White, Tho. Addison, Roger Walker, Roger Blanch, Wm. Long, Tho. Feild, Robt. Smith, Wm. Pensint, Morgan Phillips, Robt. Jewell, Wm. Clarke, Daniel HOPKINSON, Wm. Corney, Esay Delaware. ***** Cavaliers and Pioneers, page xxxiii Nicholas Hodgskines. Aged 27. In the Edwin, 1616. (Hoskines), Yeoman, of Accomac, patent, Feb. 3, 1726/7, p. (? was not in book) ***** Cavaliers and Pioneers, Patent Book No. 1 - Part I page 28. Mr. William STONE, 1800 acs. 4 June1635, p. 244, Beg. at the blunt point between Hungers Cr. & Mattawomens, Wly. on the bay, Ely. towards the pynie swampe takeing in the Clapboard quarter. Due for the per. adv. of himself & his brother Andrew STONE & trans. of 34 servants; Hugh Hayes, Armstrong Foster, Wm HAWKINSON, Tho. Ward, Cha. Farrington, Edwd. Burt, Tho. Hatcock, Hen. Holland, Hen. Hartwell, Robert Chessheire, An Irishman, Tho. Chilcott, Wm. Bucher, Wm Piss, Jon. Winnal, James Fletcher, Jon. Blackistone, Tho. Smith, Edwd/ Allen, Math Scarbourgh, David Winley, Hen. Johnson, Richard Worster, Ann Lightfoote, Hen. Ametrading, Richard Powell, Ann Smith, John Buffin, Wm. Davis, Thomas Connagrave, Sampson Robins, Wm. Matrun, Hen. Harris, Willi. Cole. ***** Feedback?, could these above named possibly be part of our Ancestory of HOISINGTON's and HORSINGTON's? I recognize a lot of these above mentioned surnames as later being in Maryland and New York. I think this bears further checking. Harriette the Bainham was mentioned on the post of John HORSINGTON that I posted first. Birdie (Totty) McNutt ( ( : ) Birdiemc@juno.com ================================================================================== From: Tina M Knapp Subject: Re: [HOISINGTON-L] Jasper Hoisington??? Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 23:07:22 -0700 Hmm I got you to looking it sounds like. Well it sounds very possible to me, I don't know about everyone else. From what I myself have learned the spelling of a name is however the person writing the info down pronounces it. Not always the right spelling, but it could very well be the right people. Just like with the name Probasco, I found some people I was looking for under Probaso, without the c, so those people could very well be our Hoisington's. I try to do some checking myself since I got my new toys this week. I just love my new toys. Happy hunting to all. ==================================================================================